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Wednesday, 22 March 2017

The Englishman, Shirley






Small, corner location local pub. During the early 20th century these Victorian pubs were on almost every street corner. Few survive today.

This one is tucked away somewhere in the residential streets between Shirley Precinct to the north, Millbrook to the southwest and Freemantle to the southeast.  Because it is so tucked away, I've not yet visited. Not even seen the building.

Date: March 2017 


  

  

At last I have visited The Englishman. A two room pub, though the back room is only open in the evening; as I visited in the afternoon I only saw the front bar, which is long and narrow, with no tables. There are stools by the bar and alongside a breakfast shelf opposite the bar. Half the space in the room is taken up with a pool table.  


 
Draught selection is all keg


The pub doesn't offer food beyond packets of crisps, and all draught beers are keg. I had a San Miguel, which had a tang of sourness from uncleaned pipes. In future in such pubs I will order bottled or canned beers. I chatted cheerfully with the landlady, who was pleasant, but clearly more interested in continuing her conversation with one of her regulars. 


 
One of the regulars, watching the tv
on the wall beyond the pool table


There were two regulars during my visit, one had his back to me, and the other was hidden by the fruit machine. They ignored me for a while, but I inserted myself into their conversation about aliens, and we did then have a friendly and enjoyable chat. I often find in these traditional locals that you have to make a little bit of effort with the regulars, but the effort is usually rewarded. I found the atmosphere relaxed, laid back, and once I got chatting with the regulars, friendly and welcoming. 


 
Breakfast shelf, and the other regular
hidden by the fruit machine


This is clearly a locals pub with minimal offering: it is plain and ordinary with little comfort and no food, but it does have a TV, a pool table, some beers and crisps, and is unpretentious. I doubt I'll visit again, and I doubt it will continue for long - it reminded me of such pubs as the Hare & Hounds, Bitterne, The Waggoners Arms, Portswood,  Grove Tavern, Woolston, and The Freemantle, Shirley - all of which have closed.  But it does have its appeal, and it does serve the local community. It's not a destination pub, but then it doesn't aim to be. 


Date: Sept 2022   Score: 4 



Englishman
18 English Road 
Shirley
SO15 8QF

No cask

Open 11am - Midnight
No food

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Tuesday, 21 March 2017

Freemantle Arms, Shirley




I've not been inside this pub yet. I went one day in 2016, I could hear people inside, I tried the doors and they wouldn't budge, so I assumed they must be staff, and came away. It's tucked away in residential streets in the Freemantle area of Shirley, so it's not somewhere I pass. It's a place you have to want to go to and seek out. I'll try again this year.

Date: 2016  Score: N/A 


Well, I've got here at last! Traditional back street boozer, with the original rooms knocked into one, though the names of the bars still etched on the windows. Five pumps, one cider, the others are beer. Relaxed, low key atmosphere. Very people orientated. This is a local pub in a very hard to find dead end street, but it has sufficient charm to be worth seeking out. It complements similar traditional cask ale focused pubs in the area. Indeed, Shirley is a decent cask ale location and well worthy of a dedicated crawl.

Date: March 2017   Score: 5 


Independent

31 Albany Road 
SO15 3EF

Open 3pm to 8pm; and 1pm to 10pm weekends 


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The Freemantle, Shirley (closed)




Old fashioned back street boozer dating back to 1994 at least. The original Cooper Brewery pub, The Freemantle Hotel, was destroyed during an air raid in 1940. The present building was built in 1956 by Watney's, who had acquired the Coopers Brewery. Two separate bars with separate entrances that are served by the same counter. It serves Doom Bar. It was friendly enough on my visit in 2016, if a bit sparse and run down. OK to sit in and have a chat, but it's really a locals' pub, and there's nothing here to attract anyone from outside the area.

Date: 2016    Score: 3 


 


Pub is not open, and there are reports that it has been up for sale - presumably for redevelopment. Not surprised, there wasn't much effort being made to make the pub attractive to new customers. It was a pub stuck in the old days of fags and sweaty, insecure men, and could not survive the Covid lockdown. 

Date: Nov 2021    Score: N/A 


27 Paynes Road 
SO15 3BX

Open Noon - 11pm 

Enterprise Inns


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Brass Monkey, Shirley




The Brass Monkey looks promising from the outside, and I came here in 2014 or 2015 but was quite disappointed at how bland it is inside, and also was put off when the landlady's dog shoved his nose in my bum.  Not the sort of welcome I like. Each to their own though, and there may be some folks who would find that funny.

Date: March 2017   Score: 3


Passed by on the bus, and the place is closed. Building work going on. Looks to be more than a mere refurbishment, and given that the few times I've been here there hasn't been many customers, I would be surprised if Enterprise Inns (who are not known for spending money refurbishing their pubs) would be investing in a failure.

Date: March 2020


  


Did a tramp around the pubs near Shirley shopping precinct looking for a pub that did food and a pint of cask beer. Bypassing the Wetherspoons, I end up here, over half a mile from the shopping centre. It was refurbished two years ago, and the refurbishment looked promising with lots of colourful promotional posters outside. It really looks like the sort of place that would be doing food. But, no. No food ("We're wet led" said the barman), and no cask beer either. Shame, as this is such a perfect pub for doing food. It's better than what it was, but still not a pub I'd want to come back to.   

Pub is branded as Craft Union, but is still part of Stonegate (who took over Enterprise Inns). 

Date: Nov 2021   Score: 3  


Brass Monkey, 
358 Shirley Road 
SO15 3HY

10-11 Mon-Thu; 10-Midnight Fri & Sat; 12-10.30 Sun
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Rover, Shirley





I popped into the Rover when we first moved to Southampton back in 2014, and I found it a decent old fashioned pub. It had a somewhat lived in feel, but it offered two local beers, and there were menus on the wall showing good value proper meals. I had this marked down as being an OK pub in what at that time appeared to me to be a town with few decent pubs. But I never went back, until late in 2016 when I wanted a pub with some food, and went to go inside, but another customer, who could see me looking at the menu outside, said that the pub was no longer doing food, so I went up the road to the Wetherspoon.

I notice that it has been smartened up since, and I am interested to see what has happened to the place, so shall be popping in shortly. 

Date: March 2017 

I just popped back in. They're not doing food any more. One cask offered, Horse Box, but it spluttered and died as the barmaid went to pull it. Place looks a little rough and run down. I moved on.


Date: April 2017   Score: 4 


Pub is open, but just for drinks in the patio area at the front beside the road. 

Date:  April 2021   Score: N/A 


 


Did a tramp around the pubs near Shirley shopping precinct looking for a pub that did food and a pint of cask beer, and (ignoring the Wetherspoon) ended up here, nearly a mile away. They do cask beer (three pumps offering Speckled Hen, Golden Hen, and Abbot), but no food.  

 


The place had a good number of customers inside, and a funky awning outside, spoiled somewhat by the smokers standing by the door. So many people in Shirley still smoke - it is an unhealthy, somewhat scruffy and troublesome area. We wanted to live in Shirley when we were looking for a house in Southampton, but I'm so glad we ended up in Woolston. I don't want to enter the local supermarket past bouncers, drunks, vomit, smokers, and rubbish - and that's what I encountered on the day I was in Shirley.  Anyway, rant about smokers aside, I quite like the Rover, but it's unlikely to be a pub I visit that often as it's not offering anything special - other than the covered street seating, which I couldn't use because of the smokers. 

Date: Nov 2021   Score: 5


 



Now doing cooked breakfasts and Sunday roasts. Opens at 8am every day except Sunday when it opens at 10am. Unknown at what time they start serving beer. 


Date: March 2023   Score: N/A 

  
  Came in for the breakfast on the day I had to return my glasses to my optician for the second time. Had a decent, well cooked veggie breakfast of my choice, an unsatisfactory Hobgoblin Session IPA which took half the morning to pour, and a good chat with the friendly and knowledgeable barman.  I hadn't spotted that Summer Lightening was on cask or I'd have had that. Good, laid back, no frills, friendly local pub, handy for the breakfast. Kids allowed.

Date: July 2023. Score: 6



266 Shirley Road 
Shirley
SO15 3HP

Open Mon-Sat 8am to 11pm  Sun 10am to 11am 

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Pig 'N' Whistle, Shirley




This is a pleasant and relaxed place. More modern coffee shop and diner than bar. No cask beer. I popped in a while back, but didn't stop for a drink because I wanted a cask beer. Passed by over the weekend on my way to the Stile Inn, and I noticed that it had a sign saying Under New Management, so I might check it out again, see if they have brought beer back, or if the "new management" refers to the Polish family who had it when I popped in during 2016.

OK, I've got back here, and there are three pumps, two with beer on: Tribute and Doom Bar. Does food, so I have some scrambled eggs on toast with Prava beer. Music is cool - just the right level. Appears I'm the only non-Polish person in the pub. I'm not sure how much the place has changed since my last visit, but it feels quite pub-like, albeit a modern upmarket sort if pub.


Date: March 2017   Score: 6


Currently open for drinks and food in the back beer garden. Hours and menu uncertain. No non-smoking area in the garden ("you can smoke in the garden everywhere") so won't be visiting until the inside is open. 

Date: April 2021 


Independent

Pig 'N' Whistle, (formerly Sidford Inn)
108 Shirley Road
SO15 3FD

Open: Mon-Tue 4pm to 11pm; Wed-Thurs 2pm to 11pm Fri-Sun: Noon to 11pm/Midnight
Food: Fri-Sun: Noon to 7/8pm 

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The Stile Inn, Shirley



Nov 2021


I've been meaning to try out this pub for a while. It's one of the very few left in Southampton that I haven't drunk in, and is known as a biker's pub. I had the opportunity over the weekend on the way back from a Half Marathon in the New Forest. The door was closed, but the light was on, so I pushed my way in to what turned out to be an empty single room bar with a pool table and limited seating - it had the look and feel of one of those biker's bars you see in American comedy movies, where the characters walk in and everyone turns to stare at them, some gripping their pool cues aggressively! The barmaid is friendly and quite happy to chat about the bikers. She told me that she sometimes has Hells Angels and Swamp Rats and other bike gangs in all at the same time, and nobody has died yet.


Collection of bikes above the bar

There are two pumps, one was turned around, the other had Tribute. The place is just for drinking so there's no food on offer. There are wonderful biking nik naks which lend the place some charm, particularly the model bikes hanging above the bar, which apparently have come from around the world. One is made from an old can of Pepsi.


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This is an OK bar with a distinctive character. There are not many places like this.

Date: March 2017   Score: 5 


 
Nov 2021


Did a tramp around the pubs near Shirley shopping precinct looking for a pub that did food and a pint of cask beer. The Stile still offers Tribute, but no food. The suggestion was first of all the Wetherspoon pub, then the Pig & Whistle (which doesn't open until later), and then the Wellington, which I tried, as I love that pub, and didn't know it had started to do food, but which no longer does food during the week, only Friday to Sunday. The barmaid and the other two customers were cool and friendly. I like this pub. 

Date: Nov 2021   Score: 5 


  



Pub closed in February 2023 after the owners decided to sell up and retire.  New owners are due to reopen in April after a refurbishment. I suspect the old owners have taken the bike decorations with them. 

 
Interior stripped back

Yep. The bikes have gone! 


Date: March 2023    Score: N/A 


 Three casks. One pool table. Karaoke machine. TV screen. Loud music. A range of locals - of an age to enjoy 80s music. White painted walls.  


Date: April 2023.  Score:  4


224 Shirley Road
SO15 3HR 

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